13.9.2008

13.9.2008

San Jose Sharks 2 , Vancouver Canucks 4
Shots: 23 - 30
PP: 0 of 1 (1 shots), Passing:78/90=86 %, Challenges:30/52=56 %
PP: 0 of 1 (1 shots), Passing:70/81=86 %, Challenges:24/42=55 %
Attendance: 3499 of 17496 (HP Pavillion)
Ticket income: 156406 Match televised: No


BOXSCORE OF THE GAME
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no scoring
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29:26 1-0 Logan Couture [1] (Mike Grier, Marcel Goc)
31:16 1-1 Artem Chubarov [1] (Jozef Stumpel)
32:38 1-2 Ryan Shannon [1] (Michael Grabner, Matt Pettinger)
35:09 2-2 Mike Grier [1] (Logan Couture, Marcel Goc)
36:33 2-3 Matt Pettinger [1] (Ryan Shannon, Kyle Wellwood)
38:14 2-4 Jozef Stumpel [1] (Artem Chubarov, Daniel Sedin)
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no scoring
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Penalty summary:
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01:39 Artem Chubarov (2 min for roughing)
13:29 Torrey Mitchell (2 min for tripping)
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42:22 Kevin Bieksa (5 min for fighting)
42:22 Jody Shelley (5 min for fighting)
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San Jose Sharks scoring.
( G A Sh Hi Ga Ta PIM, +/- Icetime Rating)
R Devin Setoguchi 0 0 0 1 0 1 0 0 8.40 6
R Mike Grier 1 1 2 0 1 1 0 1 16.30 8
R Milan Michalek 0 0 4 0 3 0 0 0 15.00 6
R Jonathan Cheechoo 0 0 2 0 2 0 0 -3 19.50 6
C Torrey Mitchell 0 0 2 0 1 0 2 0 8.40 7
C Marcel Goc 0 2 0 0 1 2 0 1 14.30 7
C Patrick Marleau 0 0 2 1 2 1 0 -2 18.10 6
C Joe Thornton 0 0 3 1 1 0 0 -1 18.20 7
L Jody Shelley 0 0 1 0 2 0 5 0 8.10 5
L Logan Couture 1 1 1 0 2 0 0 1 14.30 8
L Ryane Clowe 0 0 1 1 0 1 0 0 15.00 6
L Joe Pavelski 0 0 2 0 4 0 0 -3 20.20 5
D Brad Lukowich 0 0 0 1 0 3 0 1 14.30 6
D Christian Ehrhoff 0 0 0 2 0 0 0 0 17.10 7
D Dan Boyle 0 0 1 4 0 3 0 -3 28.20 8
D Marc-Édouard Vlasic 0 0 0 1 2 1 0 1 17.40 6
D Kyle McLaren 0 0 2 1 0 1 0 0 17.20 7
D Rob Blake 0 0 0 4 0 4 0 -3 25.20 7
(GA, A, Sv , PIM, +/- Icetime Rating)
G Evgeny Nabokov 4 0 26 0 0 60.00 6
G Dmitri Pätzold 0 0 0 0 0 0.00 0

Vancouver Canucks scoring.
( G A Sh Hi Ga Ta PIM, +/- Icetime Rating)
R Michael Grabner 0 1 0 0 0 0 0 2 5.40 6
R Ryan Kesler 0 0 0 0 2 3 0 0 15.50 5
R Steve Bernier 0 0 2 2 2 2 0 1 19.30 7
R Pavol Demitra 0 0 3 0 3 1 0 -1 19.00 6
C Ryan Shannon 1 1 2 0 1 0 0 2 5.20 8
C Kyle Wellwood 0 1 2 0 0 0 0 0 16.50 7
C Jozef Stumpel 1 1 4 0 0 0 0 0 17.40 8
C Henrik Sedin 0 0 1 3 1 1 0 0 18.50 8
L Matt Pettinger 1 1 3 0 0 0 0 2 7.00 8
L Taylor Pyatt 0 0 1 1 5 5 0 0 14.20 5
L Artem Chubarov 1 1 4 0 1 0 2 0 18.50 8
L Daniel Sedin 0 1 2 1 0 1 0 0 18.40 7
D Alexander Edler 0 0 1 1 0 1 0 0 15.20 7
D Willie Mitchell 0 0 2 1 0 0 0 0 20.20 7
D Sami Salo 0 0 0 2 1 1 0 2 24.20 7
D Lukas Krajicek 0 0 1 1 1 3 0 0 15.20 6
D Kevin Bieksa 0 0 0 3 0 3 5 0 19.00 8
D Mattias Öhlund 0 0 2 1 1 1 0 2 26.00 8
(GA, A, Sv , PIM, +/- Icetime Rating)
G Roberto Luongo 2 0 21 0 0 60.00 8
G Curtis Sanford 0 0 0 0 0 0.00 0

Three stars of the game:
1st star: Ryan Shannon
2nd star: Jozef Stumpel
3rd star: Matt Pettinger

Notes for San Jose Sharks:

Notes for Vancouver Canucks:

Other notes:
-Jody Shelley beat Kevin Bieksa in a fight.



13.9.2008

Los Angeles Kings 2 , Calgary Flames 2
Shots: 18 - 35
PP: 0 of 3 (3 shots), Passing:58/72=80 %, Challenges:38/49=76 %
PP: 0 of 3 (7 shots), Passing:84/99=84 %, Challenges:47/55=83 %
Attendance: 2536 of 18118 (Staples Center)
Ticket income: 125278 Match televised: No


BOXSCORE OF THE GAME
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16:45 0-1 Todd Bertuzzi [1] (Rhett Warrener)
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26:31 1-1 Marc-André Cliche [1] (Tom Preissing, Raitis Ivanans)
31:46 1-2 Jarome Iginla [2] (Eric Nystrom, Dion Phaneuf)
33:32 2-2 Kyle Calder [2] (Jordan Staal, Brooks Orpik)
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no scoring
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Penalty summary:
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17:49 Wayne Primeau (2 min for hooking)
19:42 Matt Greene (2 min for elbowing)
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34:17 Marcus Nilson (2 min for holding the stick)
37:17 Eric Nystrom (2 min for high-sticking)
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49:59 Michal Handzus (2 min for hooking)
54:41 Joshua Turnbull (2 min for tripping)
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63:13 Brian Boyle (2 min for roughing)
63:13 Wayne Primeau (2 min for roughing)

Los Angeles Kings scoring.
( G A Sh Hi Ga Ta PIM, +/- Icetime Rating)
R Marc-André Cliche 1 0 1 0 3 0 0 0 9.20 6
R Matt Ellis 0 0 1 1 1 1 0 1 14.20 7
R Derek Armstrong 0 0 2 1 1 0 0 0 16.30 7
R Dustin Brown 0 0 2 0 0 0 0 -1 21.50 8
C Joshua Turnbull 0 0 0 1 0 0 2 0 10.00 7
C Brian Boyle 0 0 3 0 1 0 2 1 13.40 7
C Michal Handzus 0 0 2 0 0 0 2 0 19.40 7
C Anze Kopitar 0 0 2 0 1 0 0 -1 17.30 6
L Brad Richardson 0 0 1 0 0 0 0 0 9.20 6
L Kyle Calder 1 0 1 0 2 0 0 1 17.30 7
L Jordan Staal 0 1 1 2 0 0 0 0 17.40 7
L Evgeny Malkin 0 0 2 1 0 0 0 -1 20.20 7
D Richard Petiot 0 0 0 0 0 1 0 1 17.20 6
D Matt Greene 0 0 0 1 0 0 2 0 20.50 6
D Denis Gauthier 0 0 2 7 0 3 0 -1 29.30 9
D Raitis Ivanans 0 1 0 1 0 2 0 1 14.10 7
D Brooks Orpik 0 1 0 3 1 1 0 0 18.40 7
D Tom Preissing 0 1 2 2 1 0 0 -1 30.10 7
(GA, A, Sv , PIM, +/- Icetime Rating)
G Jonathan Bernier 2 0 33 0 0 65.00 10
G Jason LaBarbera 0 0 0 0 0 0.00 0

Calgary Flames scoring.
( G A Sh Hi Ga Ta PIM, +/- Icetime Rating)
R Eric Nystrom 0 1 0 1 0 0 2 0 5.50 6
R Todd Bertuzzi 1 0 3 2 2 4 0 1 19.30 8
R Mike Cammalleri 0 0 2 2 0 0 0 -2 19.40 7
R Jarome Iginla 1 0 4 4 1 2 0 1 20.10 9
C Wayne Primeau 0 0 0 4 0 2 4 0 8.00 7
C Matthew Lombardi 0 0 2 0 1 0 0 1 21.20 7
C Craig Conroy 0 0 4 0 0 0 0 -2 14.20 7
C Daymond Langkow 0 0 2 0 0 0 0 1 21.30 7
L David Moss 0 0 0 1 1 0 0 0 5.50 5
L Dustin Boyd 0 0 2 0 0 0 0 1 16.00 7
L Marcus Nilson 0 0 3 2 0 0 2 -2 19.40 8
L Rene Bourque 0 0 3 0 3 0 0 1 17.10 6
D Cory Sarich 0 0 0 0 0 1 0 1 20.30 6
D Jim Vandermeer 0 0 2 2 0 0 0 -2 19.40 7
D Robyn Regehr 0 0 3 2 0 0 0 1 27.30 7
D Rhett Warrener 0 1 1 0 0 0 0 1 19.50 8
D Adrian Aucoin 0 0 2 1 0 0 0 -2 17.10 6
D Dion Phaneuf 0 1 3 4 0 2 0 1 26.00 9
(GA, A, Sv , PIM, +/- Icetime Rating)
G Miikka Kiprusoff 2 0 16 0 0 65.00 6
G Curtis McElhinney 0 0 0 0 0 0.00 0

Three stars of the game:
1st star: Jonathan Bernier
2nd star: Jarome Iginla
3rd star: Todd Bertuzzi

Notes for Los Angeles Kings:

Notes for Calgary Flames:

Other notes:

13.9.2008

Phoenix Coyotes 3 , Anaheim Ducks 3
Shots: 25 - 33
PP: 0 of 0 (0 shots), Passing:65/84=77 %, Challenges:36/47=75 %
PP: 1 of 3 (4 shots), Passing:78/95=82 %, Challenges:35/42=81 %
Attendance: 1896 of 17779 (Jobing.com Arena)
Ticket income: 86078 Match televised: No


BOXSCORE OF THE GAME
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no scoring
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27:38 0-1 Ryan Getzlaf [1] (Chris Kunitz)PP
30:17 1-1 Tomas Surovy [3] (Zbynek Michalek, Ed Jovanovski)
34:12 1-2 Chris Kunitz [2] (Travis Moen, Drew Miller)
35:37 2-2 Ed Jovanovski [1] (Derek Morris, Olli Jokinen)
38:56 2-3 Scott Niedermayer [1] (Ryan Getzlaf, Corey Perry)
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55:01 3-3 Shane Doan [1] (Olli Jokinen, Martin Hanzal)
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Penalty summary:
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14:33 Todd Fedoruk (2 min for hooking)
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24:05 Keith Yandle (2 min for slashing)
26:15 Brian McGrattan (2 min for boarding)
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Phoenix Coyotes scoring.
( G A Sh Hi Ga Ta PIM, +/- Icetime Rating)
R Brian McGrattan 0 0 0 0 2 0 2 0 6.50 5
R Mike Zigomanis 0 0 0 0 1 0 0 -1 17.00 6
R Steven Reinprecht 0 0 3 1 0 0 0 0 20.50 7
R Shane Doan 1 0 3 2 0 0 0 2 19.20 8
C Kyle Turris 0 0 1 0 0 0 0 0 6.00 6
C Peter Mueller 0 0 1 1 1 2 0 -1 16.30 7
C Tomas Surovy 1 0 3 1 1 0 0 0 20.30 7
C Olli Jokinen 0 2 4 2 1 0 0 2 19.20 8
L Patrick Fischer 0 0 1 1 0 0 0 0 6.00 7
L Todd Fedoruk 0 0 1 2 1 1 2 -1 19.20 6
L Garth Murray 0 0 3 2 0 1 0 0 20.30 8
L Martin Hanzal 0 1 2 0 0 0 0 2 17.50 8
D Keith Yandle 0 0 0 0 0 1 2 -1 17.40 6
D David Hale 0 0 1 1 0 0 0 0 21.30 7
D Derek Morris 0 1 0 0 0 0 0 2 26.00 7
D Kurt Sauer 0 0 0 1 1 2 0 -1 21.40 6
D Zbynek Michalek 0 1 1 1 0 0 0 0 18.20 7
D Ed Jovanovski 1 1 2 0 2 0 0 2 25.10 8
(GA, A, Sv , PIM, +/- Icetime Rating)
G Ilya Bryzgalov 3 0 30 0 0 65.00 9
G Mikael Tellqvist 0 0 0 0 0 0.00 0

Anaheim Ducks scoring.
( G A Sh Hi Ga Ta PIM, +/- Icetime Rating)
R George Parros 0 0 2 2 0 2 0 0 7.50 7
R Brad May 0 0 1 1 0 3 0 0 17.20 7
R Rob Niedermayer 0 0 3 0 0 1 0 -2 19.30 7
R Corey Perry 0 1 6 4 1 0 0 1 20.30 7
C Drew Miller 0 1 3 1 0 0 0 0 7.50 7
C Todd Marchant 0 0 0 2 0 2 0 0 17.20 7
C Brendan Morrison 0 0 3 0 0 0 0 -2 19.30 7
C Ryan Getzlaf 1 1 4 2 1 0 0 1 20.30 8
L Travis Moen 0 1 1 0 1 0 0 0 7.50 4
L Brian Sutherby 0 0 0 0 1 0 0 0 17.20 5
L Samuel Påhlsson 0 0 3 1 0 0 0 -2 19.30 7
L Chris Kunitz 1 1 4 1 1 0 0 1 20.30 8
D Steve Montador 0 0 0 0 1 0 0 0 17.40 6
D François Beauchemin 0 0 1 2 1 1 0 -2 21.50 6
D Scott Niedermayer 1 0 3 0 0 0 0 1 28.30 8
D Sean O'Donnell 0 0 0 0 0 2 0 0 20.50 5
D Mathieu Schneider 0 0 1 1 0 0 0 -2 16.40 7
D Chris Pronger 0 0 2 0 0 0 0 1 24.50 7
(GA, A, Sv , PIM, +/- Icetime Rating)
G Jean-Sébastien Giguère 3 0 22 0 0 65.00 6
G Jonas Hiller 0 0 0 0 0 0.00 0

Three stars of the game:
1st star: Olli Jokinen
2nd star: Ryan Getzlaf
3rd star: Chris Kunitz

Notes for Phoenix Coyotes:

Notes for Anaheim Ducks:

Other notes:



13.9.2008

Colorado Avalanche 4 , Edmonton Oilers 3
Shots: 23 - 26
PP: 0 of 1 (3 shots), Passing:72/88=81 %, Challenges:34/53=63 %
PP: 0 of 1 (0 shots), Passing:68/82=82 %, Challenges:30/46=63 %
Attendance: 7652 of 18007 (Pepsi Center)
Ticket income: 369591 Match televised: No


BOXSCORE OF THE GAME
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13:04 1-0 Marek Svatos [2] (Wojtek Wolski, Adam Foote)
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30:26 2-0 Milan Hejduk [2] (Paul Stastny, Scott Hannan)
30:55 2-1 Tom Gilbert [1] (Sheldon Souray, Sam Gagner)
37:25 2-2 Robbie Schremp [1] (Zack Stortini)
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40:27 2-3 Erik Cole [1] (Tom Gilbert, Sam Gagner)
49:09 3-3 Marek Svatos [3] (Wojtek Wolski, Ian Laperriere)
53:59 4-3 Ian Laperriere [2] (Marek Svatos, Brett Clark)
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Penalty summary:
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25:56 Robbie Schremp (2 min for slashing)
33:17 Ruslan Salei (2 min for cross-checking)
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Colorado Avalanche scoring.
( G A Sh Hi Ga Ta PIM, +/- Icetime Rating)
R Cody McCormick 0 0 0 1 0 0 0 0 6.30 6
R Brian Willsie 0 0 1 1 2 0 0 -1 16.20 6
R Marek Svatos 2 1 4 0 2 0 0 3 18.20 9
R Milan Hejduk 1 0 5 1 0 0 0 -1 17.00 8
C Ben Guite 0 0 2 1 0 1 0 0 6.20 7
C Tyler Arnason 0 0 2 1 1 2 0 -1 18.20 7
C Ian Laperriere 1 1 2 1 3 0 0 3 17.10 7
C Paul Stastny 0 1 3 2 2 0 0 -1 17.50 8
L Scott Parker 0 0 0 1 2 1 0 0 6.30 5
L Darcy Tucker 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 -1 16.20 6
L Wojtek Wolski 0 2 1 1 1 0 0 2 18.10 7
L Ryan Smyth 0 0 0 0 2 0 0 0 19.10 5
D Jordan Leopold 0 0 0 5 2 6 0 -1 19.50 7
D Brett Clark 0 1 2 0 0 0 0 3 17.10 8
D Scott Hannan 0 1 1 2 0 1 0 -1 23.00 7
D Ruslan Salei 0 0 0 2 1 3 2 -1 20.10 7
D Adam Foote 0 1 0 2 0 2 0 3 19.30 8
D John-Michael Liles 0 0 1 2 1 0 0 -1 20.20 6
(GA, A, Sv , PIM, +/- Icetime Rating)
G Peter Budaj 3 0 23 0 0 60.00 6
G Andrew Raycroft 0 0 0 0 0 0.00 0

Edmonton Oilers scoring.
( G A Sh Hi Ga Ta PIM, +/- Icetime Rating)
R Zack Stortini 0 1 1 1 0 1 0 1 8.20 7
R Andrew Cogliano 0 0 1 1 2 1 0 0 12.20 6
R Fernando Pisani 0 0 3 0 0 0 0 0 19.20 7
R Dustin Penner 0 0 2 3 0 1 0 -2 19.40 7
C Gilbert Brulé 0 0 2 1 0 1 0 1 8.10 7
C Kyle Brodziak 0 0 1 3 0 4 0 0 12.20 8
C Sam Gagner 0 2 2 1 2 0 0 1 18.20 7
C Shawn Horcoff 0 0 3 0 2 0 0 -3 20.20 6
L Robbie Schremp 1 0 3 1 2 1 2 1 8.10 7
L Ethan Moreau 0 0 3 0 1 0 0 0 12.50 6
L Erik Cole 1 0 2 2 4 1 0 1 18.30 6
L Ales Hemsky 0 0 2 1 0 1 0 -3 19.30 6
D Denis Grebeshkov 0 0 0 1 2 3 0 0 13.20 6
D Sheldon Souray 0 1 0 1 0 1 0 1 19.20 6
D Steve Staios 0 0 1 1 0 1 0 -2 26.30 6
D Ladislav Smid 0 0 1 1 1 2 0 1 16.00 7
D Tom Gilbert 1 1 1 1 0 1 0 1 20.10 9
D Lubomir Visnovsky 0 0 1 0 0 0 0 -3 24.50 6
(GA, A, Sv , PIM, +/- Icetime Rating)
G Mathieu Garon 4 0 19 0 0 60.00 5
G Dwayne Roloson 0 0 0 0 0 0.00 0

Three stars of the game:
1st star: Marek Svatos
2nd star: Ian Laperriere
3rd star: Milan Hejduk

Notes for Colorado Avalanche:

Notes for Edmonton Oilers:

Other notes:

13.9.2008

Minnesota Wild 3 , Dallas Stars 0
Shots: 19 - 27
PP: 1 of 1 (2 shots), Passing:62/74=83 %, Challenges:43/58=72 %
PP: 0 of 2 (9 shots), Passing:82/92=89 %, Challenges:24/45=52 %
Attendance: 5419 of 18064 (Xcel Energy Center)
Ticket income: 242771 Match televised: No


BOXSCORE OF THE GAME
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15:54 1-0 Owen Nolan [1] (James Sheppard, Martin Skoula)
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no scoring
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41:52 2-0 Marian Gaborik [1] (Andrew Brunette)PP
45:23 3-0 Antti Miettinen [2] (Mikko Koivu, Marian Gaborik)
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Penalty summary:
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26:55 James Sheppard (2 min for roughing)
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40:11 Konstantin Pushkarev (2 min for hooking)
57:16 Corey Locke (2 min for slashing)
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Minnesota Wild scoring.
( G A Sh Hi Ga Ta PIM, +/- Icetime Rating)
R Cal Clutterbuck 0 0 1 0 1 0 0 0 7.00 6
R Owen Nolan 1 0 4 4 1 5 0 1 20.00 9
R Mikko Koivu 0 1 2 1 0 1 0 1 19.00 8
R Marian Gaborik 1 1 3 0 1 0 0 0 15.00 7
C Corey Locke 0 0 0 0 0 0 2 0 7.00 6
C James Sheppard 0 1 0 1 0 2 2 1 17.50 7
C Éric Bélanger 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 1 16.10 6
C Pierre-Marc Bouchard 0 0 1 0 0 0 0 0 15.20 6
L Benoit Pouliot 0 0 2 0 1 0 0 0 7.00 6
L Stéphane Veilleux 0 0 2 0 3 3 0 1 17.50 5
L Antti Miettinen 1 0 1 4 1 3 0 1 19.00 8
L Andrew Brunette 0 1 2 0 1 0 0 0 14.50 8
D Kurtis Foster 0 0 1 0 0 0 0 0 20.30 7
D Martin Skoula 0 1 0 2 3 0 0 2 17.40 6
D Brent Burns 0 0 0 4 0 3 0 0 22.30 7
D Marc-André Bergeron 0 0 0 2 0 3 0 0 19.00 7
D Marek Zidlicky 0 0 2 0 2 0 0 2 16.50 7
D Kim Johnsson 0 0 1 1 1 1 0 0 23.30 7
(GA, A, Sv , PIM, +/- Icetime Rating)
G Niklas Backstrom 0 0 27 0 0 60.00 10
G Josh Harding 0 0 0 0 0 0.00 0

Dallas Stars scoring.
( G A Sh Hi Ga Ta PIM, +/- Icetime Rating)
R Konstantin Pushkarev 0 0 1 1 1 1 2 0 8.20 6
R Loui Eriksson 0 0 2 0 0 0 0 0 14.00 7
R Steve Ott 0 0 2 2 2 2 0 0 17.30 7
R Jere Lehtinen 0 0 5 1 2 0 0 -2 19.30 6
C Toby Petersen 0 0 1 0 0 0 0 0 8.20 6
C Mike Modano 0 0 0 1 2 1 0 0 11.50 6
C Brad Richards 0 0 4 1 0 0 0 0 18.10 7
C Mike Ribeiro 0 0 4 1 2 0 0 -2 20.40 6
L Lauri Tukonen 0 0 1 2 2 2 0 0 8.20 6
L Joel Lundqvist 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 11.50 6
L Sean Avery 0 0 4 3 1 1 0 0 19.30 8
L Brenden Morrow 0 0 4 2 1 2 0 -2 19.30 7
D Niklas Grossman 0 0 0 1 2 1 0 0 12.10 6
D Matt Niskanen 0 0 0 5 2 1 0 0 21.50 7
D Philippe Boucher 0 0 1 2 2 2 0 -2 25.50 6
D Trevor Daley 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 14.00 6
D Stéphane Robidas 0 0 0 3 0 2 0 0 23.10 7
D Sergei Zubov 0 0 2 2 2 0 0 -2 23.50 6
(GA, A, Sv , PIM, +/- Icetime Rating)
G Marty Turco 3 0 16 0 0 60.00 5
G Tobias Stephan 0 0 0 0 0 0.00 0

Three stars of the game:
1st star: Niklas Backstrom
2nd star: Owen Nolan
3rd star: Marian Gaborik

Notes for Minnesota Wild:

Notes for Dallas Stars:

Other notes: